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Joe Frazier

Par    le 20 novembre 2011

Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book.

Né à Beaufort, Caroline du Sud, le 12 janvier 1944 et décédé des suites d’un cancer du foie le 7 novembre 2011, Joe Frazier (32 victoires dont 27 KOs, 4 défaites, 1 nul) est un ancien champion du monde des lourds.

Champion olympique aux jeux de Tokyo en 1964, il devient champion du monde professionnel en 1970 en mettant Jimmy Ellis KO au 5e round. Petit et léger pour la catégorie reine, Frazier coupe le ring, asphyxie ses rivaux et termine généralement le travail grâce à un crochet du gauche atomique.

Le 8 mars 1971, au Madison Square Garden de New York, il est le premier homme à battre Mohamed Ali. Ce dernier prend sa revanche en 1973 et remporte la belle à Manille en 1975 au bout d’un combat d’une violence inouïe.

Quand Smokin’ Joe prend sa retraite en 1976, Ali et Foreman sont les deux seuls boxeurs à l’avoir battu.

Après avoir raccroché les gants, Frazier multiplie les activités : showman à Las Vegas, il pose sa voix sur un enregistrement du groupe The Knockouts. Il ouvre le Joe Frazier Gym à Philadelphie et entraîne son fils Marvis, boxeur professionnel.

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  1. Anonyme dit :

    Grand boxeur.

    1. Giorgi dit :

      (I don’t feel like registering sorweheme to post on HP, I’m posting this here.)Good article I’ve been thinking all year about this exact analogy, with those exact Miles Davis groups in mind.There’s this crazy idea in a lot of popular sports coverage these days that superstars like LeBron and Wade ought to want to win championships by themselves , that collaboration is cowardice. Of course, anybody who knows the history of basketball and the makeup of teams like the 80s Lakers/Celtics, the 90s Bulls, the 00s Lakers, etc, knows this is nonsense; Magic, Bird, MJ, Kobe, and Shaq hardly accomplished what they did by themselves . But beyond just being historically wrong, this heroic individualist doctrine takes a very restricted, blinkered vision of what makes sports great, both for the participants and the audience. Seeing LeBron or Wade do something spectacular in isolation is, by itself, spectacular; but watching LeBron and Wade run one of their ridiculous hail mary fast breaks this year is even better. It is the artistic and creative side of sports; two human beings collaborating, sharing their (already remarkable) expertise with each other to create a performance even greater than the sum of its parts.Jazz is the perfect thing to look at to magnify this point. Defiant individualist masculine competitiveness is a really big part of jazz history, especially the bebop era Miles came out of. But jazz isn’t a competition; nobody keeps score; no team gets a trophy at the end of the night or season. Jazz is a form of creative expression, and it is patently obvious that it’s best when individually good musicians get together and push each other to be better than they would be by themselves or with less individually good collaborators. Competition is still part of the tradition; Bud Powell trying to show up Charlie Parker on the bandstand one night is almost exactly the same thing as Kobe Bryant trying to show up LeBron at the All-Star Game; but this means not that the best artists were at their best when they each had their own group, but rather that they were at their best when they were on the bandstand together, making each other greater than the sum of their parts.The popular view of basketball has a hard time appreciating this side of it because sports and collaborative art seem, on the surface, mutually exclusive. Basketball, unlike jazz, does keep score; it is a competition; teams do get trophies at the end of the year. But there’s no reason a competitive sport can’t also be an art. It is an art in that it features human beings doing spectacular (almost superhuman ) things which require spectacular expertise and ability and have no use , in the sense that their actions do not cure disease, provide sustenance or housing, produce cars and other things people need to live, et cetera. Not only is basketball an art, it is an (African-)American one, just like jazz. Herbie/Ron/Tony collaborating or LeBron/Wade collaborating is just human beings delighting in what they can do with each other’s expertise, for no other purpose than just delighting in what they can do. We should delight in it too.I think it’s an interesting question _why_ so much hatred/derision has been directed toward LeBron for his decision to join up with Wade and Bosh. How in the first place did it get to be that the popular opinion accepts heroic individualism as the #1 priority in professional team sports? Insofar as people who watch sports watch it just for the competition or just to root for their home teams, how did it get to be that sports is just about channeling our urges to watch human beings at war (a la the old gladiators) and/or in particular to channel urges to watch the local tribe (the home team) beat up everyone else? No doubt sports has and still does express those aspects of our humanity, but so too does it express the artistic aspect of it. Why has that latter aspect been obscured so in the way most of the media portrays sports and the way most people consume it? I have some (sketchy) ideas about how the blindness to the artistic/collaborative aspect is a consequence of the capitalist relations of production that shape our society, because in order for capitalist relations of production to reproduce themselves (in other words, in order for a small percentage of people to continue profiting off most of us) the population must be indoctrinated with the metaphysical world view of capitalism on which human beings are all individual isolated atoms who do things only for the sake of their individual survival, rather than social animals who, among other things, can collaborate with each other just for the sake of creative collective action. Sports are a prime form of entertainment for a large segment of the American working class, and the sports media by and large is controlled by a few massive entertainment monopolies. (Sports leagues are monopolies too.) So, when memes like LeBron is a coward because, rather than stick to his hometown and fight his way to the top with nobody else’s help, he left home and joined up with others; just like black people who, rather than fight their way up the class ladder without help from others, go to the government for help are as prevalent as they are, it’s no accident, or not just a consequence of gutteral popular opinion. It is because the very few entities controlling professional sports and the media wants those messages to be what everyone talks about, and wants to make sure that’s what popular opinion will be.

    2. Bagoes dit :

      I grew up up in Chicago watching the great batbeskall rivalries develop – the Jordan vs Barkley vs Miller vs Ewing vs anyone else who wanted a ring during those years – so I really, really hate this « Let’s get my ass to a team that is guaranteed to win because every player is a superstar » mentality that is so prevalent in the NBA now. It’s no longer about the one guy, the one star, making the players around him step up their games and become better players and work as a team. So as a Chicagoan who misses those rivalries and who totally wishes Derrick Rose had a Scottie Pippen to his Michael Jordan, I say – fuck you, douchebag LeBron. I’m not normally a bandwagon fan, but I am for the next few weeks for Dallas, and Nowitzki better bring it.

  2. Big George dit :

    Un pur guerrier du ring qui ne lâchait rien et qui fut le plus grand rival du plus grand poids lourd de l’histoire: Mohammed Ali.

    1. Aftab dit :

      Why is Tyson regarded beettr than Lewis and Holyfield Here’s why, he was much more exciting and was a KO artist, he was the best fighter of his era and don’t forget, if Tyson would have not gone to jail and lose 4 prime years fighters like Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Morrison, Moore, Briggs and anyone else who shined during 1991-1995 Tyson is boxing just like Jordan is basket ball.

    2. bertrand dit :

      le plus grand poids lourd est Tyson et le meilleure rival d’Ali est Foremann faut réviser tes cours mon ami..

  3. bertrand dit :

    le plus grand poids lourd est Tyson et le meilleure rival d’Ali est Foremann faut réviser tes cours mon ami..

  4. Selling dit :

    CharlieDelta127, yes he did hold the heavyweight belt for a long time. So did both Lewis and Holyfield. Tyson also won the belt twice. Lewis won it 3 times, Holyfield 4 times. Tyson also unifeid all three belts. So did Lewis. Lewis also owns a victory against everyone he ever fought, and after kicking Tyson’s ass retired with the belt. Yet for some reason Tyson’s thought of as a better fighter.  Go figure!

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